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mn.76 Majjhima Nikāya (Middle Discourses)

Discourse to Sandaka

Thus have I heard: at one time the Lord was staying near Kosambī in Ghosita's monastery. Now at that time the wanderer Sandaka was staying in the Fig Tree Cave with a great company of wanderers, with at least five hundred wanderers. Then the venerable Ānanda, emerging from solitude towards evening, addressed the monks, saying: “Come, your reverences, we will go to Devakaṭa Pool so as to see the Cave.” “Yes, your reverence,” these monks answered the venerable Ānanda in assent. Then the venerable Ānanda, together with many monks, approached Devakaṭa Pool. Now at that time the wanderer Sandaka was sitting down with the great company of wanderers shouting out with a loud noise, a great noise, talking various kinds of inferior talk, that is to say: talk on kings, thieves, great ministers, armies, fears, battles, food, drink, clothes, beds, garlands, scents, relations, vehicles, villages, market towns, towns, the country, women, heroes, streets, wells, those departed before, talk of diversity, speculation about the world, speculation about the sea, talk about becoming or not becoming thus or thus. The wanderer Sandaka saw the venerable Ānanda coming in the distance; seeing him, he called his own company to order, saying: “Good sirs, let there be little noise; do not, good sirs, make a noise; this is a disciple of the recluse Gotama who is coming, the recluse Ānanda. For as long as disciples of the recluse Gotama have been staying near Kosambī the recluse Ānanda has been among them. These venerable ones wish for little noise, they are trained to little noise, they are praisers of little noise. So he may consider approaching if he knows that this is a company of little noise.” Then these wanderers fell silent.

Then the venerable Ānanda approached the wanderer Sandaka. The wanderer Sandaka spoke thus to the venerable Ānanda: “Let the revered Ānanda come, there is a welcome for the revered Ānanda; it is long since the revered Ānanda made this opportunity, that is to say for coming here. Let the revered Ānanda sit down, this seat is ready.” Then the venerable Ānanda sat down on the seat that was ready. And the wanderer Sandaka, having taken a low seat, sat down at a respectful distance. Then the venerable Ānanda spoke thus to the wanderer Sandaka as he was sitting down at a respectful distance: “What is the talk for which you are now gathered together here, Sandaka? And what was your talk that was interrupted?” “Let be that talk, good Ānanda, for which we are now gathered together here. It will not be difficult for the good Ānanda to hear this talk later. It were good if some Dhamma-talk belonging to his own teacher were to occur to the revered Ānanda himself.” “Well then, Sandaka, listen, attend carefully and I will speak.” “Yes, sir,” the wanderer Sandaka answered the venerable Ānanda in assent.

The venerable Ānanda spoke thus: “Sandaka, these four ways of living a non-Brahma-faring have been pointed out by this Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One; and four comfortless Brahma-farings have been pointed out in which an intelligent man could certainly not live a Brahma-faring, or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.” “And what, good Ānanda, are these four ways of living a non-Brahma-faring that have been pointed out by the Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One in which an intelligent man could certainly not live a Brahma-faring, or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled?”

“As to this, Sandaka, some teacher speaks thus and is of this view: ‘There is no (result of) gift, no (result of) sacrifice; there is no fruit or ripening of deeds well done or ill done; there is not this world, there is not a world beyond; there is not (benefit from serving) mother or father; there are no beings of spontaneous uprising; there are not in the world recluses and brahmans who are faring rightly, proceeding rightly, and who proclaim this world and a world beyond, having realised them by their own super-knowledge. This man is derived from the four great elements so that, when he passes away, the earthy part of his body returns and relapses to earth, the fluid part to water, the hot part to heat, the windy part to wind, and his sense-organs pass over into the ether. Four men, with a bier as the fifth, go along taking the corpse; as far as the cemetery they make known his characteristics. His bones become pigeon-grey. Offerings end as ashes. It is imbeciles who speak of giving. It is vain, lying, empty talk on their part who profess to say: There is. Fools and wise alike are annihilated and destroyed at the breaking up of the body; after dying they are not.’

Wherefore, Sandaka, an intelligent man reflects thus: ‘This worthy teacher speaks thus and is of this view: “There is no (result of) gift, no (result of) sacrifice; there is no fruit or ripening of deeds well done or ill done; there is not this world, there is not a world beyond; there is not (benefit from serving) mother or father; there are no beings of spontaneous uprising; there are not in the world recluses and brahmans who are faring rightly, proceeding rightly, and who proclaim this world and a world beyond, having realised them by their own super-knowledge. This man is derived from the four great elements so that, when he passes away, the earthy part of his body returns and relapses to earth, the fluid part to water, the hot part to heat, the windy part to wind, and his sense-organs pass over into the ether. Four men, with a bier as the fifth, go along taking the corpse; as far as the cemetery they make known his characteristics. His bones become pigeon-grey. Offerings end as ashes. It is imbeciles who speak of giving. It is vain, lying, empty talk on their part who profess to say: There is. Fools and wise alike are annihilated and destroyed at the breaking up of the body; after dying they are not.”

If this is a true word of this good teacher, then what is done herein is without my doing it, what is lived herein is without my living it. Moreover both of us are herein on an exact level in attaining recluseship, although I do not say: “We will both be annihilated and destroyed at the breaking up of the body; after dying we will not be.” It is excessive of this good teacher to be naked, shaven, to practise squatting on his heels, to pluck out the hair of his head and beard, while I am living in a house surrounded and supported by sons, delighting in Kāsi's sandal-wood perfumes, decked with garlands, scents and unguents, enjoying the use of gold and silver. For in a future state I will be on an exact level in wayfaring as this good teacher. Knowing what, seeing what, should I fare the Brahma-faring under this teacher?’ He, realising that this is a way of living a non-Brahma-faring, goes away uninterested in this Brahma-faring. This, Sandaka, is the first way of living a non-Brahma-faring that has been pointed out by this Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One, (a way) in which an intelligent man could certainly not live a Brahma-faring or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.

And again, Sandaka, some teacher here speaks thus and is of this view: ‘From doing, from making (another) do, from mutilating, from making (another) mutilate, from threatening, from making (another) threaten, from causing grief, from tormenting, from torturing, from making (another) torture, from making onslaught on creatures, from taking what is not given, from house-breaking, from plundering, from robbery, from waiting in ambush, from going after other men's wives, from lying speech, from acting (thus) evil is not done. If anyone with a discus having an edge sharp as a razor should make the creatures of this earth into one mass of flesh, into one heap of flesh, from that source there is not evil, there is not the perpetuating of evil. And if anyone should go to the south bank of the Ganges slaying and striking, mutilating, making (others) mutilate, threatening, making (others) threaten, from that source there is not evil, there is not the perpetuating of evil. And if he should go to the north bank of the Ganges giving, making (others) give, offering, making (others) offer, from that source there is not merit, there is not the perpetuating of merit. There is no merit from giving, from taming oneself, from restraining oneself, from truth-speaking, there is not the perpetuating of merit.’

Wherefore, Sandaka, an intelligent man reflects thus: ‘This worthy teacher speaks thus and is of this view: “From doing, from making (another) do, from mutilating, from making (another) mutilate, from threatening, from making (another) threaten, from causing grief, from tormenting, from torturing, from making (another) torture, from making onslaught on creatures, from taking what is not given, from house-breaking, from plundering, from robbery, from waiting in ambush, from going after other men's wives, from lying speech, from acting (thus) evil is not done. If anyone with a discus having an edge sharp as a razor should make the creatures of this earth into one mass of flesh, into one heap of flesh, from that source there is not evil, there is not the perpetuating of evil. And if anyone should go to the south bank of the Ganges slaying and striking, mutilating, making (others) mutilate, threatening, making (others) threaten, from that source there is not evil, there is not the perpetuating of evil. And if he should go to the north bank of the Ganges giving, making (others) give, offering, making (others) offer, from that source there is not merit, there is not the perpetuating of merit. There is no merit from giving, from taming oneself, from restraining oneself, from truth-speaking, there is not the perpetuating of merit.”

If this is a true word of this good teacher, then what is done herein is without my doing it, what is lived herein is without my living it. Moreover both of us are herein on an exact level in attaining recluse-ship, although I do not say: “Evil will not be done by the deeds of both.” It is excessive of this good teacher to be naked, shaven, to practise squatting on his heels, to pluck out the hair of his head and beard, while I am living in a house surrounded and supported by sons, delighting in Kāsi's sandal-wood perfumes, decked with garlands, scents and unguents, enjoying the use of gold and silver. For in a future state I will be on an exact level in wayfaring as this good teacher. Knowing what, seeing what, should I fare the Brahma-faring under this teacher?’ He, realising that this is a way of living a non-Brahma-faring, goes away uninterested in this Brahma-faring. This, Sandaka, is the second way of living a non-Brahma-faring that has been pointed out by this Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One, (a way) in which an intelligent man could certainly not live a Brahma-faring or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.

And again, Sandaka, some teacher here speaks thus and is of this view: ‘There is no cause, no reason for the defilement of creatures, creatures are defiled without cause, without reason. There is no cause, no reason for the purification of creatures, creatures are purified without cause, without reason. There is not strength, there is not energy, there is not human vigour, there is not human effort; all creatures, all breathing things, all beings, all living things are without power, without strength, without energy, bent by fate, chance, and nature, they experience pleasure and pain amid the six classes.’

Wherefore, Sandaka, an intelligent man reflects thus: ‘This worthy teacher speaks thus and is of this view: ‘There is no cause, no reason for the defilement of creatures, creatures are defiled without cause, without reason. There is no cause, no reason for the purification of creatures, creatures are purified without cause, without reason. There is not strength, there is not energy, there is not human vigour, there is not human effort; all creatures, all breathing things, all beings, all living things are without power, without strength, without energy, bent by fate, chance, and nature, they experience pleasure and pain amid the six classes.’

If this is a true word of this good teacher, then what is done herein is without my doing it, what is lived herein is without my living it. Moreover both of us are herein on an exact level in attaining recluse-ship, although I do not say: “We will both be purified without cause, without reason.” It is excessive of this good teacher to be naked, shaven, to practise squatting on his heels, to pluck out the hair of his head and beard, while I am living in a house surrounded and supported by sons, delighting in Kāsi's sandal-wood perfumes, decked with garlands, scents and unguents, enjoying the use of gold and silver. For in a future state I will be on an exact level in wayfaring as this good teacher. Knowing what, seeing what, should I fare the Brahma-faring under this teacher?’ He, realising that this is a way of living a non-Brahma-faring, goes away uninterested in this Brahma-faring. This, Sandaka, is the third way of living a non-Brahma-faring that has been pointed out by this Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One, (a way) in which an intelligent man could certainly not live a Brahma-faring or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.

And again, Sandaka, some teacher here speaks thus and is of this view:’ These seven classes are not made or caused to be made, they are not created or caused to be created, they are barren (of results), standing stable as a mountain, stable as a pillar, they do not move or change or injure one another, they are unable to affect one another's pleasure or pain or pleasure-and-pain. What are the seven? Earth, water, heat, wind, pleasures, pains, life-principles, these seven. These seven classes are not made or caused to be made, they are not created or caused to be created, they are barren (of results), standing stable as a mountain, stable as a pillar, they do not move or change or injure one another, they are unable to affect one another's pleasure or pain or pleasure-and-pain. Herein there is neither slayer nor one that makes another slay, neither hearer nor one that makes another hear, neither knower nor one that makes another know. Even he who cuts off (another's) head with a sharp sword deprives no one of life, for the sword merely penetrates the gap between the seven classes.

There are these fourteen hundred thousand chief kinds of birth, and sixty hundred and six hundred. There are five hundred karmas and (another) five karmas and (another) three karmas. There is a karma and half a karma. There are sixty-two practices, sixty-two sub-divisions (in a great kalpa), six classes of mankind, eight stages in (the life of a) man, forty-nine hundred modes of livelihood, forty-nine hundred wanderers, forty-nine hundred nāga-dwellings, twenty hundred faculties, thirty hundred Niraya Hells, thirty-six places where dust collects, seven births where there is consciousness, seven births where there is no consciousness, seven kinds of production where there are joints in the stalk, seven kinds of devas, seven kinds of men, seven kinds of demons, seven lakes, seven knots, seven (greater) mountains, seven hundred (smaller) mountains, seven (great) dreams, seven hundred (lesser) dreams. There are 84,000 great kalpas in which both fools and the wise, when they have run on and circled on, will make an end of anguish.

It is useless to say: “I, by this moral practice or habit or austerity or Brahma-faring will bring an unmatured karma to maturity, or gradually exhaust karma already matured.” This is not so. Happiness and pain are measured out (as) in a bushel; circling on has its limits fixed; there is not decline and growth, there is not high degree or low. Indeed, just as a ball of thread, when thrown down, unwinds itself as it rolls, even so will fools and the wise alike, when they have run on and circled on, make an end of anguish.’

Wherefore, Sandaka, an intelligent man reflects thus: ‘This worthy teacher speaks thus and is of this view: These seven classes are not made or caused to be made, they are not created or caused to be created, they are barren (of results), standing stable as a mountain, stable as a pillar, they do not move or change or injure one another, they are unable to affect one another's pleasure or pain or pleasure-and-pain. What are the seven? Earth, water, heat, wind, pleasures, pains, life-principles, these seven.

These seven classes are not made or caused to be made, they are not created or caused to be created, they are barren (of results), standing stable as a mountain, stable as a pillar, they do not move or change or injure one another, they are unable to affect one another's pleasure or pain or pleasure-and-pain. Herein there is neither slayer nor one that makes another slay, neither hearer nor one that makes another hear, neither knower nor one that makes another know. Even he who cuts off (another's) head with a sharp sword deprives no one of life, for the sword merely penetrates the gap between the seven classes.

There are these fourteen hundred thousand chief kinds of birth, and sixty hundred and six hundred. There are five hundred karmas and (another) five karmas and (another) three karmas. There is a karma and half a karma. There are sixty-two practices, sixty-two sub-divisions (in a great kalpa, six classes of mankind, eight stages in (the life of a) man, forty-nine hundred modes of livelihood, forty-nine hundred wanderers, forty-nine hundred nāga-dwellings, twenty hundred faculties, thirty hundred Niraya Hells, thirty-six places where dust collects, seven births where there is consciousness, seven births where there is no consciousness, seven kinds of production where there are joints in the stalk, seven kinds of devas, seven kinds of men, seven kinds of demons, seven lakes, seven knots, seven (greater) mountains, seven hundred (smaller) mountains, seven (great) dreams, seven hundred (lesser) dreams. There are 84,000 great kalpas in which both fools and the wise, when they have run on and circled on, will make an end of anguish.

It is useless to say: “I, by this moral practice or habit or austerity or Brahma-faring will bring an unmatured karma to maturity, or gradually exhaust karma already matured.” This is not so. Happiness and pain are measured out (as) in a bushel; circling on has its limits fixed; there is not decline and growth, there is not high degree or low. Indeed, just as a ball of thread, when thrown down, unwinds itself as it rolls, even so will fools and the wise alike, when they have run on and circled on, make an end of anguish.’

If this is a true word of this good teacher, then what is done herein is without my doing it, what is lived herein is without my living it. Moreover both of us are herein on an exact level in attaining recluse-ship, although I do not say: “When we have both run on and circled on we will make an end of anguish.” It is excessive of this good teacher to be naked, shaven, to practise squatting on his heels, to pluck out the hair of his head and beard, while I am living in a house surrounded and supported by sons, delighting in Kāsi's sandal-wood perfumes, decked with garlands, scents and unguents, enjoying the use of gold and silver. For in a future state I will be on an exact level in wayfaring as this good teacher. Knowing what, seeing what, should I fare the Brahma-faring under this teacher?’ He, realising that this is a way of living a non-Brahma-faring, goes away uninterested in this Brahma-faring. This, Sandaka, is the fourth way of living a non-Brahma-faring that has been pointed out by this Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One, (a way) in which an intelligent man could certainly not live a Brahma-faring or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.

These, Sandaka, are the four ways of living a non-Brahma-faring that have been pointed out by this Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One, and in which an intelligent man could certainly not live a Brahma-faring, or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.”

“It is wonderful, good Ānanda, it is marvellous, good Ānanda, that although there are these four ways of living a non-Brahma-faring, they have been pointed out by this Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One, as those in which an intelligent man could certainly not live a Brahma-faring, or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled. But now, good Ānanda, what are these four comfortless Brahma-farings that have been pointed out by this Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One, and in which an intelligent man certainly could not live a Brahma-faring, or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled?”

“As to this, Sandaka, some teacher, all-knowing, all-seeing, claims all-embracing knowledge-and-vision, saying: ‘Whether I am walking or standing still or asleep or awake, knowledge-and-vision is constantly and perpetually before me.’ He enters an empty place, and he does not obtain almsfood, and a dog bites him, and he encounters a fierce elephant, and he encounters a fierce horse, and he encounters a fierce bullock, and he asks a woman and a man their name and clan, and he asks the name of a village or a market town and the way. He, being one who asks, ‘How was this?’ answers, ‘I had to enter an empty place, therefore I entered; I had to obtain no almsfood, therefore I obtained none; (someone) had to be bitten by a dog, therefore I was bitten by one; (someone) had to encounter a fierce elephant, horse and bullock, therefore I encountered them; (someone) had to ask a woman and a man their name and clan, therefore I asked; (someone) had to ask the name of a village and market town and the way, therefore I asked.’

Whereupon, Sandaka, an intelligent person reflects thus: ‘This revered teacher, all-knowing, all-seeing, claims all-embracing knowledge-and-vision, saying: “Whether I am walking or standing still or asleep or awake, knowledge-and-vision is constantly and perpetually before me.” He enters an empty place, and he does not obtain almsfood, and a dog bites him, and he encounters a fierce elephant, and he encounters a fierce horse, and he encounters a fierce bullock, and he asks a woman and a man their name and clan, and he asks the name of a village or a market town and the way. He, being one who asks, ‘How was this?’ answers, ‘I had to enter an empty place, therefore I entered; I had to obtain no almsfood, therefore I obtained none; (someone) had to be bitten by a dog, therefore I was bitten by one; (someone) had to encounter a fierce elephant, horse and bullock, therefore I encountered them; (someone) had to ask a woman and a man their name and clan, therefore I asked; (someone) had to ask the name of a village and market town and the way, therefore I asked.’ Having realised that this Brahma-faring is comfortless, he goes away uninterested in this Brahma-faring. This, Sandaka, is the first comfortless Brahma-faring that has been pointed out by this Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One, and in which an intelligent man certainly could not live a Brahma-faring, or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.

And again, Sandaka, some teacher here depends on report, holds to report for his ‘truths,’ he teaches Dhamma according to report, according to hearsay and tradition, according to the authority of the collections. If a teacher, Sandaka, depends on report, holds to report for his ‘truths,’ he remembers (part) well and he remembers (part) badly, and is both right and wrong.

Wherefore, Sandaka, an intelligent person reflects thus: ‘This worthy teacher depends on report, holds to report for his ‘truths,’ he teaches Dhamma according to report, according to hearsay and tradition, according to the authority of the collections. If a teacher depends on report, holds to report for his ‘truths,’ he remembers (part) well and he remembers (part) badly, and is both right and wrong. Having realised that this Brahma-faring is comfortless, he goes away uninterested in this Brahma-faring. This, Sandaka, is the second comfortless Brahma-faring that has been pointed out by this Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One, and in which an intelligent man certainly could not live a Brahma-faring, or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.

And again, Sandaka, some teacher here is a reasoner and investigator; he teaches Dhamma on a system of his own devising, beaten out by reasoning and based on investigation. If, Sandaka, a teacher is a reasoner and investigator, part is well reasoned and part is badly reasoned, and is both right and wrong. Wherefore, Sandaka, an intelligent person reflects thus: ‘This worthy teacher is a reasoner and investigator he teaches Dhamma on a system of his own devising, beaten out by reasoning and based on investigation. If a teacher is a reasoner and investigator, part is well reasoned and part is badly reasoned, and is both right and wrong. Having realised that this Brahma-faring is comfortless, he goes away uninterested in this Brahma-faring. This, Sandaka, is the third comfortless Brahma-faring that has been pointed out by this Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One, and in which an intelligent man certainly could not live a Brahma-faring, or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.

And again, Sandaka, some teacher here is stupid and confused; because of his stupidity and confusion, on being asked a question on this or that he falls into equivocation, into eel-wriggling: ‘It is not thus for me, it is not so for me, it is not otherwise for me, I do not say it is not, I do not say it is not not.’

Wherefore, Sandaka, an intelligent person reflects thus: ‘This worthy teacher is stupid and confused because of his stupidity and confusion, on being asked a question on this or that he falls into equivocation, into eel-wriggling: ‘It is not thus for me, it is not so for me, it is not otherwise for me, I do not say it is not, I do not say it is not not.’ Having realised that this Brahma-faring is comfortless, he goes away uninterested in this Brahma-faring. This, Sandaka, is the fourth comfortless Brahma-faring that has been pointed out by this Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One, and in which an intelligent man certainly could not live a Brahma-faring, or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.

These, Sandaka, are the four comfortless Brahma-farings that have been pointed out by this Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One, and in which an intelligent man certainly could not live a Brahma-faring, or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.”

“It is wonderful, good Ānanda, it is marvellous, good Ānanda, that these four comfortless Brahma-farings have been pointed out by this Lord who knows and sees, perfected one, fully Self-Awakened One, as those in which an intelligent man could certainly not live a Brahma-faring or, if living it, could not gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.

Good Ānanda, what does this Teacher teach, what does he profess whereby an intelligent man could certainly live a Brahma-faring and, living it, could gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled?” “As to this, Sandaka, [1] a Tathagata arises in the world, a perfected one, a fully Self-awakened one endowed with right knowledge and conduct, well-farer, knower of the worlds, the matchless charioteer of men to be tamed, the Awakened One, the Lord. He makes known this world with the devas, with Māra, with Brahmā, creation with its recluses and brahmans, its devas and men, having realised them by his own super-knowledge. He teaches Dhamma which is lovely at the beginning, lovely in the middle, lovely at the ending, with the spirit and the letter; he proclaims the Brahma-faring wholly fulfilled, quite purified. A householder or a householder's son or one born in another family hears that Dhamma. [2] Having heard that Dhamma, he gains faith in the Tathāgata. [3] Endowed with this faith that he has acquired, he reflects in this way: ‘The household life is confined and dusty; going forth is of the open; it is not easy for one who lives in a house to fare the Brahma-faring wholly fulfilled, wholly pure, polished like a conch-shell. Suppose now that I, having cut off hair and beard, having put on saffron robes, should go forth from home into homelessness?’ After a time, getting rid of his wealth, be it small or great, getting rid of his circle of relations, be it small or great, having cut off his hair and beard, having put on saffron robes, he goes forth from home into homelessness. [4] He, being thus one who has gone forth and who is endowed with the training and the way of living of monks, abandoning onslaught on creatures, is one who abstains from onslaught on creatures; the stick laid aside, the knife laid aside, he lives kindly, scrupulous, friendly and compassionate towards all breathing things and creatures. [5] Abandoning the taking of what is not given, he is one who abstains from taking what is not given; being one who takes (only) what is given, who waits for what is given, not by stealing he lives with a self become pure. [6] Abandoning unchastity, he is one who is chaste, keeping remote (from unchastity), abstaining from dealings with women. [7] Abandoning lying speech, he is one who abstains from lying speech, a truth-speaker, a bondsman to truth, trustworthy, dependable, no deceiver of the world. [8] Abandoning slanderous speech, he is one who abstains from slanderous speech; having heard something here he is not one for repeating it elsewhere for (causing) variance among these (people), or having heard something elsewhere he is not one to repeat it there for (causing) variance among these (people). In this way he is a reconciler of those who are at variance, and one who combines those who are friends. Concord is his pleasure, concord his delight, concord his joy, concord is the motive of his speech. [9] Abandoning harsh speech, he is one who abstains from harsh speech. Whatever speech is gentle, pleasing to the ear, affectionate, going to the heart, urbane, pleasant to the manyfolk, agreeable to the manyfolk, he comes to be one who utters speech like this. [10] Abandoning frivolous chatter, he is one who abstains from frivolous chatter. He is a speaker at a right time, a speaker of fact, a speaker on the goal, a speaker on Dhamma, a speaker on discipline, he speaks words that are worth treasuring, with similes at a right time that are discriminating, connected with the goal. [11] He comes to be one who abstains from what involves destruction to seed-growth, to vegetable growth. [12] He comes to be one who eats one meal a day, refraining at night, abstaining from eating at a wrong time. [13] He comes to be one who abstains from watching shows of dancing, singing, music. [14] He comes to be one who abstains from using garlands, scents, unguents, adornments, finery. [15] He comes to be one who abstains from using high beds, large beds. [16] He comes to be one who abstains from accepting gold and silver. He comes to be one who abstains from accepting raw grain. He comes to be one who abstains from accepting raw meat. He comes to be one who abstains from accepting women and girls. He comes to be one who abstains from accepting women slaves and men slaves. He comes to be one who abstains from accepting goats and sheep. He comes to be one who abstains from accepting fowl and swine. He comes to be one who abstains from accepting elephants, cows, horses, mares. He comes to be one who abstains from accepting fields and sites. He comes to be one who abstains from accepting messages or going on such. [17] He comes to be one who abstains from buying and selling. He comes to be one who abstains from accepting from cheating with weights. He comes to be one who abstains from accepting from cheating with bronzes. He comes to be one who abstains from cheating with measures. He comes to be one who abstains from the crooked ways of bribery, fraud and deceit. [18] He comes to be one who abstains from maiming, murdering, manacling, highway robbery. [19] He comes to be contented with the robes for protecting his body, with the almsfood for sustaining his stomach. Wherever he goes he takes these things with him as he goes. As a bird on the wing wherever it flies takes its’ wings with it as it flies, so a monk, contented with the robes for protecting his body, with the almsfood for sustaining his stomach, wherever he goes takes these things with him as he goes. [20] He, possessed of the ariyan body of moral habit, subjectively experiences unsullied well-being. [21-1] Having seen a material shape with the eye, he is not entranced by the general appearance, he is not entranced by the detail. If he dwells with this organ of sight uncontrolled, covetousness and dejection, evil unskilled states of mind, might predominate. So he fares along controlling it; he guards the organ of sight, he comes to control over the organ of sight. [21-2] Having heard a sound with the ear, he is not entranced by the general appearance, he is not entranced by the detail. If he dwells with this organ of hearing uncontrolled, covetousness and dejection, evil unskilled states of mind, might predominate. So he fares along controlling it; he guards the organ of hearing, he comes to control over the organ of hearing. [21-3] Having smelt a smell with the nose, he is not entranced by the general appearance, he is not entranced by the detail. If he dwells with this organ of smell uncontrolled, covetousness and dejection, evil unskilled states of mind, might predominate. So he fares along controlling it; he guards the organ of smell, he comes to control over the organ of smell. [21-4] Having savoured a taste with the tongue, he is not entranced by the general appearance, he is not entranced by the detail. If he dwells with this organ of taste uncontrolled, covetousness and dejection, evil unskilled states of mind, might predominate. So he fares along controlling it; he guards the organ of taste, he comes to control over the organ of taste. [21-5] Having felt a touch with the body, he is not entranced by the general appearance, he is not entranced by the detail. If he dwells with this organ of touch uncontrolled, covetousness and dejection, evil unskilled states of mind, might predominate. So he fares along controlling it; he guards the organ of touch, he comes to control over the organ of touch. [21-6] Having cognised a mental object with the mind, he is not entranced by the general appearance, he is not entranced by the detail. If he lives with this organ of mind uncontrolled, covetousness and dejection, evil unskilled states of mind might predominate. So he fares along controlling it; he guards the organ of mind, he comes to control over the organ of mind. If he is possessed of this ariyan control of the (sense-) organs, he subjectively experiences unsullied well-being.

[22] Whether he is setting out or returning, he is one who comports himself properly; whether he is looking down or looking round, he is one who comports himself properly; whether he is bending back or stretching out (his arm), he is one who comports himself properly; whether he is carrying his outer cloak, his bowl, his robe, he is one who comports himself properly; whether he is munching, drinking, eating, savouring, he is one who comports himself properly; whether he is obeying the calls of nature, he is one who comports himself properly; whether he is walking, standing, asleep, awake, talking, silent, he is one who comports himself properly. Possessed of this ariyan body of moral habit and possessed of this ariyan control of the (sense-) organs and possessed of this ariyan mindfulness and clear consciousness, [23] he chooses a remote lodging in a forest, at the root of a tree, on a mountain slope, in a wilderness, in a hill-cave, in a cemetery, in a forest haunt, in the open or on a heap of straw.

[24] He, returning from alms-gathering after his meal, sits down cross-legged holding the back erect, having made mindfulness rise up in front of him. [25-1] He, having got rid of covetousness for the world, lives with a mind devoid of coveting, he purifies the mind of coveting. [25-2] By getting rid of the taint of ill-will, he lives benevolent in mind; and compassionate for the welfare of all creatures and beings, he purifies the mind of the taint of ill-will. [25-3] By getting rid of sloth and torpor, he lives devoid of sloth and torpor; perceiving the light, mindful and clearly conscious, he purifies the mind of sloth and torpor. [25-4] By getting rid of restlessness and worry, he lives calmly, the mind subjectively tranquillised, he purifies the mind of restlessness and worry. [25-5] By getting rid of doubt, he lives doubt-crossed; unperplexed as to the states that are skilled, he purifies his mind of doubt.

[26-1] He, by getting rid Of these five hindrances, defilements of a mind and weakening to intuitive wisdom, aloof from pleasurs of the senses, aloof from unskilled states of mind, enters and abides in the first meditation, which is accompanied by initial thought and discursive thought, is born of aloofness and is rapturous and joyful. If a disciple attains such lofty eminence under this Teacher, an intelligent person could certainly live that Brahma-faring and, living it, could gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.

[26-2] And again, Sandaka, a monk, by allaying initial and discursive thought, his mind subjectively tranquillised and fixed on one point, enters on and abides in the second meditation which is devoid of initial and discursive thought, is born of concentration and is rapturous and joyful. If a disciple attains such lofty eminence under this Teacher, an intelligent person could certainly live that Brahma-faring and, living it, could gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.

[26-3] And again, Sandaka, a monk, by the fading out of rapture, dwells with equanimity, attentive and clearly conscious, and experiences in his person that joy of which the ariyans say: ‘Joyful lives he who has equanimity and is mindful,’ and he enters on and abides in the third meditation. If a disciple attains such lofty eminence under this Teacher, an intelligent person could certainly live that Brahma-faring and, living it, could gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.

[26-4] And again, Sandaka, a monk by getting rid of joy, by getting rid of anguish, by the going down of his former pleasures and sorrows, enters on and abides in the fourth meditation which has neither anguish nor joy, and which is entirely purified by equanimity and mindfulness. If a disciple attains such lofty eminence under this Teacher, an intelligent person could certainly live that Brahma-faring and, living it, could gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.

[27-1] Thus with the mind composed, quite purified, quite clarified, without blemish, without defilement, grown soft and workable, stable, immovable, he directs his mind to the knowledge and recollection of former habitations. He recollects a variety of former habitations, thus: One birth, two births, three births, four births, five births, ten births, twenty births, thirty births, forty births, fifty births, a hundred births, a thousand births, a hundred thousand births, and many an eon of integration and many an eon of disintegration and many an eon of integration-disintegration: ‘Such a one was I by name, having such and such a clan, such and such a colour, so I was nourished, such and such pleasant and painful experiences were mine, so did the span of life end. Passing from this, I came to be in another state where I was such a one by name, having such and such a clan, such and such a colour, so I was nourished, such and such pleasant and painful experiences were mine, so did the span of life end. Passing from this, I arose here.’ Thus he recollects divers former habitations in all their modes and detail.

[27-2] With the mind composed thus, quite purified, quite clarified, without blemish, without defilement, grown soft and workable, stable, immovable, he directs his mind to the knowledge of the passing hence and the arising of beings. With the purified deva-vision surpassing that of men, he sees beings as they pass hence or come to be; he comprehends that beings are mean, excellent, comely, ugly, well-going, ill-going, according to the consequences of deeds, and thinks: ‘Indeed these worthy beings who were possessed of wrong conduct in body, speech and thought, scoffers at the ariyans, holding a wrong view, incurring deeds consequent on a wrong view, these, at the breaking up of the body after dying, have arisen in a sorrowful state, a bad bourn, the abyss, Niraya Hell. But these worthy beings who were possessed of good conduct in body, speech and thought, who did not scoff at the ariyans, holding a right view, incurring deeds consequent on a right view, these at the breaking up of the body after dying, have arisen in a good bourn, a heaven world.’ Thus with the purified deva-vision surpassing that of men does he see beings as they pass hence, as they arise; he comprehends that beings are mean, excellent, comely, ugly, well-going, ill-going according to the consequences of deeds.

[27-3] With the mind composed thus, quite purified, quite clarified, without blemish, without defilement, grown soft and workable, stable, immovable, he directs his mind to the knowledge of the destruction of the cankers. He comprehends as it really is: ‘This is anguish’, ‘this is the arising of anguish’, ‘this is the stopping of anguish’, ‘this is the course leading to the stopping of anguish’. He comprehends as it really is: ‘These are the cankers’, ‘this is the arising of the cankers’, ‘this is the stopping of the cankers’, ‘this is the course leading to the stopping of the cankers’. Knowing thus, seeing thus, his mind is freed from the canker of sense-pleasures and his mind is freed from the canker of becoming and his mind is freed from the canker of ignorance.

[28] In freedom the knowledge comes to be: ‘I am freed’; and he comprehends: ‘Destroyed is birth, brought to a close the Brahma-faring, done is what was to be done, there is no more of being such or so.’ If a disciple attains such lofty eminence under this Teacher, an intelligent person could certainly live that Brahma-faring and, living it, could gain success in the right path, in Dhamma, in what is skilled.

“But, good Ānanda, could that monk who is a perfected one, the cankers destroyed, who has lived the life, done what was to be done, laid down the burden, attained his own goal, the fetters of becoming utterly destroyed, freed by perfect profound knowledge, could he enjoy pleasures of the senses?”

“Whatever monk, Sandaka, is a perfected one the cankers destroyed, who has lived the life, done what was to be done, laid down the burden, attained his own goal, the fetters of becoming utterly destroyed, freed by perfect profound knowledge, he cannot become one to transgress five points: [1] a monk whose cankers are destroyed cannot become one intentionally to deprive a living creature of life; [2] a monk whose cankers are destroyed cannot become one to take what has not been given, as it were by theft; [3] a monk whose cankers are destroyed cannot become one to indulge in sexual intercourse; [4] a monk whose cankers are destroyed cannot become one to speak a deliberate lie; [5] a monk whose cankers are destroyed cannot become one to enjoy pleasures of the senses in regard to what was stored as he did formerly when in the household state. Sandaka, whatever is a perfected one the cankers destroyed, who has lived the life, done what was to be done, laid down the burden, attained his own goal, the fetters of becoming utterly destroyed, freed by perfect profound knowledge, he cannot become one to transgress these five points.”

“But, good Ānanda, if a monk is one perfected the cankers destroyed, who has lived the life, done what was to be done, laid down the burden, attained his own goal, the fetters of becoming utterly destroyed, freed by perfect profound knowledge, then, whether he is walking or standing still or asleep or awake is the knowledge-and-vision constantly and perpetually present that his cankers are destroyed?” “Well then, Sandaka, I will make you a simile, for by a simile some intelligent persons here understand the meaning of what has been said.

Sandaka, it is like a man whose hands and feet have been cut off; whether he is walking or standing still or asleep or awake, constantly and perpetually are his hands and feet as though cut off; and moreover while he is reflecting on it, he knows: ‘My hands and feet have been cut off.’ Even so, Sandaka, whatever monk is a perfected one, the cankers destroyed, who has lived the life, done what was to be done, laid down the burden, attained his own goal, the fetters of becoming utterly destroyed, freed by perfect profound knowledge, for him whether he is walking or standing still or asleep or awake, the cankers are as though destroyed; and moreover while he is reflecting on it, he knows: ‘My cankers are destroyed.’”

“How many great leaders, good Ānanda, are there in this Dhamma and discipline?” “Not merely a hundred, nor two, three, four or five hundred, but far more are those who are great leaders in this Dhamma and discipline.”

“Wonderful, good Ānanda, marvellous, good Ānanda; there can be no extolling of their own dhamma, nor disparaging of the dhamma of others; but both the teaching of Dhamma in its (whole) extent and so many great leaders can be seen. On the other hand, these Naked Ascetics are children of a childless mother, they both extol themselves and disparage others, and they show only three great leaders, namely Nanda Vaccha, Kisa Saṅkicca and Makkhali Gosāla”

Then the wanderer Sandaka addressed his own company, saying: “Let the good sirs fare forth; the living of the Brahma-faring is under the recluse Gotama, although it is not easy for us now to give up gains, honours, fame.” It was in this way that the wanderer Sandaka sent his own company into the Lord's Brahma-faring.

Discourse to Sandaka: The Sixth

- Translator: I.B. Horner

- Editor: Brother Joe Smith


With Sandaka

So I have heard.
At one time the Buddha was staying near Kosambi, in Ghosita’s Monastery.
Now at that time the wanderer Sandaka was residing at the cave of the wavy leaf fig tree together with a large assembly of around five hundred wanderers.
Then in the late afternoon, Venerable Ānanda came out of retreat and addressed the mendicants:
“Come, reverends, let’s go to the Devakata Pool to see the cave.”
“Yes, reverend,” they replied.
Then Ānanda together with several mendicants went to the Devakata Pool.
Now at that time, Sandaka and the large assembly of wanderers were sitting together making an uproar, a dreadful racket. They engaged in all kinds of unworthy talk, such as
talk about kings, bandits, and ministers; talk about armies, threats, and wars; talk about food, drink, clothes, and beds; talk about garlands and fragrances; talk about family, vehicles, villages, towns, cities, and countries; talk about women and heroes; street talk and well talk; talk about the departed; motley talk; tales of land and sea; and talk about being reborn in this or that state of existence.
Sandaka saw Ānanda coming off in the distance,
and hushed his own assembly,
“Be quiet, good sirs, don’t make a sound.
The ascetic Ānanda, a disciple of the ascetic Gotama, is coming.
He is included among the disciples of the ascetic Gotama, who is residing near Kosambī.
Such venerables like the quiet, are educated to be quiet, and praise the quiet.
Hopefully if he sees that our assembly is quiet he’ll see fit to approach.”
Then those wanderers fell silent.
Then Venerable Ānanda went up to the wanderer Sandaka,
who said to him,
“Come, Master Ānanda! Welcome, Master Ānanda!
It’s been a long time since you took the opportunity to come here.
Please, sir, sit down, this seat is ready.”
Ānanda sat down on the seat spread out,
while Sandaka took a low seat and sat to one side.
Ānanda said to Sandaka,
“Sandaka, what were you sitting talking about just now? What conversation was left unfinished?”
“Master Ānanda, leave aside what we were sitting talking about just now.
It won’t be hard for you to hear about that later.
It’d be great if Master Ānanda himself would give a Dhamma talk explaining his own tradition.”
“Well then, Sandaka, listen and pay close attention, I will speak.”
“Yes, sir,” replied Sandaka.
Venerable Ānanda said this:
“Sandaka, these things have been explained by the Blessed One, who knows and sees, the perfected one, the fully awakened Buddha: four ways that negate the spiritual life, and four kinds of unreliable spiritual life. A sensible person would, to the best of their ability, not practice such spiritual paths, and if they did practice them, they wouldn’t succeed in the procedure of the skillful teaching.”
“But Master Ānanda, what are the four ways that negate the spiritual life, and the four kinds of unreliable spiritual life?”
“Sandaka, take a certain teacher who has this doctrine and view:
‘There’s no meaning in giving, sacrifice, or offerings. There’s no fruit or result of good and bad deeds. There’s no afterlife. There’s no such thing as mother and father, or beings that are reborn spontaneously. And there’s no ascetic or brahmin who is well attained and practiced, and who describes the afterlife after realizing it with their own insight.
This person is made up of the four primary elements. When they die, the earth in their body merges and coalesces with the main mass of earth. The water in their body merges and coalesces with the main mass of water. The fire in their body merges and coalesces with the main mass of fire. The air in their body merges and coalesces with the main mass of air. The faculties are transferred to space.
Four men with a bier carry away the corpse.
Their footprints show the way to the cemetery.
The bones become bleached.
Offerings dedicated to the gods end in ashes.
Giving is a doctrine for morons.
When anyone affirms a positive teaching it’s just hollow, false nonsense.
Both the foolish and the astute are annihilated and destroyed when their body breaks up, and they don’t exist after death.’
A sensible person reflects on this matter in this way:
‘This teacher has such a doctrine and view.








If what that teacher says is true, both I who have not accomplished this and one who has accomplished it
have attained exactly the same level. Yet I’m not one who says that both of us are annihilated and destroyed when our body breaks up, and we don’t exist after death.
But it’s superfluous for this teacher to go naked, shaven, persisting in squatting, tearing out their hair and beard. For I’m living at home with my children, using sandalwood imported from Kāsi, wearing garlands, perfumes, and makeup, and accepting gold and money. Yet I’ll have exactly the same destiny in the next life as this teacher.
What do I know or see that I should lead the spiritual life under this teacher?
This negates the spiritual life.’
Realizing this, they leave disappointed.
This is the first way that negates the spiritual life.
Furthermore, take a certain teacher who has this doctrine and view:
‘The one who acts does nothing wrong when they punish, mutilate, torture, aggrieve, oppress, intimidate, or when they encourage others to do the same. Nothing bad is done when they kill, steal, break into houses, plunder wealth, steal from isolated buildings, commit highway robbery, commit adultery, and lie.
If you were to reduce all the living creatures of this earth to one heap and mass of flesh with a razor-edged chakram, no evil comes of that, and no outcome of evil.
If you were to go along the south bank of the Ganges killing, mutilating, and torturing, and encouraging others to do the same, no evil comes of that, and no outcome of evil.
If you were to go along the north bank of the Ganges giving and sacrificing and encouraging others to do the same, no merit comes of that, and no outcome of merit.
In giving, self-control, restraint, and truthfulness there is no merit or outcome of merit.’
A sensible person reflects on this matter in this way:
‘This teacher has such a doctrine and view.




If what that teacher says is true, both I who have not accomplished this and one who has accomplished it
have attained exactly the same level. Yet I’m not one who says that when both of us act, nothing wrong is done.
But it’s superfluous for this teacher to go naked, shaven, persisting in squatting, tearing out their hair and beard. For I’m living at home with my children, using sandalwood imported from Kāsi, wearing garlands, perfumes, and makeup, and accepting gold and money. Yet I’ll have exactly the same destiny in the next life as this teacher.
What do I know or see that I should lead the spiritual life under this teacher?
This negates the spiritual life.’
Realizing this, they leave disappointed.
This is the second way that negates the spiritual life.
Furthermore, take a certain teacher who has this doctrine and view:
‘There is no cause or reason for the corruption of sentient beings.
Sentient beings are corrupted without cause or reason.
There’s no cause or reason for the purification of sentient beings.
Sentient beings are purified without cause or reason.
There is no power, no energy, no human strength or vigor.
All sentient beings, all living creatures, all beings, all souls lack control, power, and energy. Molded by destiny, circumstance, and nature, they experience pleasure and pain in the six classes of rebirth.’
A sensible person reflects on this matter in this way:
‘This teacher has such a doctrine and view.



If what that teacher says is true, both I who have not accomplished this and one who has accomplished it
have attained exactly the same level. Yet I’m not one who says that both of us are purified without cause or reason.
But it’s superfluous for this teacher to go naked, shaven, persisting in squatting, tearing out their hair and beard. For I’m living at home with my children, using sandalwood imported from Kāsi, wearing garlands, perfumes, and makeup, and accepting gold and money. Yet I’ll have exactly the same destiny in the next life as this teacher.
What do I know or see that I should lead the spiritual life under this teacher?
This negates the spiritual life.’
Realizing this, they leave disappointed.
This is the third way that negates the spiritual life.
Furthermore, take a certain teacher who has this doctrine and view:
‘There are these seven substances that are not made, not derived, not created, without a creator, barren, steady as a mountain peak, standing firm like a pillar.
They don’t move or deteriorate or obstruct each other. They’re unable to cause pleasure, pain, or neutral feeling to each other.
What seven?
The substances of earth, water, fire, air; pleasure, pain, and the soul is the seventh.
These seven substances are not made, not derived, not created, without a creator, barren, steady as a mountain peak, standing firm like a pillar.
They don’t move or deteriorate or obstruct each other. They’re unable to cause pleasure, pain, or neutral feeling to each other.
And here there is no-one who kills or who makes others kill; no-one who learns or who educates others; no-one who understands or who helps others understand.
If you chop off someone’s head with a sharp sword, you don’t take anyone’s life.
The sword simply passes through the gap between the seven substances.
There are 1.4 million main wombs, and 6,000, and 600. There are 500 deeds, and five, and three. There are deeds and half-deeds. There are 62 paths, 62 sub-eons, six classes of rebirth, and eight stages in a person’s life. There are 4,900 Ājīvaka ascetics, 4,900 wanderers, and 4,900 naked ascetics. There are 2,000 faculties, 3,000 hells, and 36 realms of dust. There are seven percipient embryos, seven non-percipient embryos, and seven embryos without attachments. There are seven gods, seven humans, and seven goblins. There are seven lakes, seven winds, seven cliffs, and 700 cliffs. There are seven dreams and 700 dreams. There are 8.4 million great eons through which the foolish and the astute transmigrate before making an end of suffering.
And here there is no such thing as this: “By this precept or observance or mortification or spiritual life I shall force unripened deeds to bear their fruit, or eliminate old deeds by experiencing their results little by little”—for that cannot be.
Pleasure and pain are allotted. Transmigration lasts only for a limited period, so there’s no increase or decrease, no getting better or worse.
It’s like how, when you toss a ball of string, it rolls away unraveling.
In the same way, after transmigrating the foolish and the astute will make an end of suffering.’
A sensible person reflects on this matter in this way:
‘This teacher has such a doctrine and view.















If what that teacher says is true, both I who have not accomplished this and one who has accomplished it
have attained exactly the same level. Yet I’m not one who says that after transmigrating both of us will make an end of suffering.
But it’s superfluous for this teacher to go naked, shaven, persisting in squatting, tearing out their hair and beard. For I’m living at home with my children, using sandalwood imported from Kāsi, wearing garlands, perfumes, and makeup, and accepting gold and money. Yet I’ll have exactly the same destiny in the next life as this teacher.
What do I know or see that I should lead the spiritual life under this teacher?
This negates the spiritual life.’
Realizing this, they leave disappointed.
This is the fourth way that negates the spiritual life.
These are the four ways that negate the spiritual life that have been explained by the Blessed One, who knows and sees, the perfected one, the fully awakened Buddha. A sensible person would, to the best of their ability, not practice such spiritual paths, and if they did practice them, they wouldn’t succeed in the procedure of the skillful teaching.”
“It’s incredible, Master Ānanda, it’s amazing,
how these four ways that negate the spiritual life have been explained by the Buddha.
But Master Ānanda, what are the four kinds of unreliable spiritual life?”
“Sandaka, take a certain teacher who claims to be all-knowing and all-seeing, to know and see everything without exception, thus:
‘Knowledge and vision are constantly and continually present to me, while walking, standing, sleeping, and waking.’
He enters an empty house; he gets no almsfood; a dog bites him; he encounters a wild elephant, a wild horse, and a wild cow; he asks the name and clan of a woman or man; he asks the name and path to a village or town.
When asked, ‘Why is this?’ he answers: ‘I had to enter an empty house, that’s why I entered it. I had to get no almsfood, that’s why I got none. I had to get bitten by a dog, that’s why I was bitten. I had to encounter a wild elephant, a wild horse, and a wild cow, that’s why I encountered them. I had to ask the name and clan of a woman or man, that’s why I asked. I had to ask the name and path to a village or town, that’s why I asked.’
A sensible person reflects on this matter in this way:
‘This teacher makes such a claim, but he answers in such a way.
This spiritual life is unreliable.’
Realizing this, they leave disappointed.
This is the first kind of unreliable spiritual life.
Furthermore, take another teacher who is an oral transmitter, who takes oral transmission to be the truth.
He teaches by oral transmission, by the lineage of testament, by canonical authority.
But when a teacher takes oral transmission to be the truth, some of that is well learned, some poorly learned, some true, and some otherwise.
A sensible person reflects on this matter in this way:
‘This teacher takes oral transmission to be the truth. He teaches by oral transmission, by the lineage of testament, by canonical authority.
But when a teacher takes oral transmission to be the truth, some of that is well learned, some poorly learned, some true, and some otherwise.
This spiritual life is unreliable.’
Realizing this, they leave disappointed.
This is the second kind of unreliable spiritual life.
Furthermore, take another teacher who relies on logic and inquiry.
He teaches what he has worked out by logic, following a line of inquiry, expressing his own perspective.
But when a teacher relies on logic and inquiry, some of that is well reasoned, some poorly reasoned, some true, and some otherwise.
A sensible person reflects on this matter in this way:
‘This teacher relies on logic and inquiry.
He teaches what he has worked out by logic, following a line of inquiry, expressing his own perspective.
But when a teacher relies on logic and inquiry, some of that is well reasoned, some poorly reasoned, some true, and some otherwise.
This spiritual life is unreliable.’
Realizing this, they leave disappointed.
This is the third kind of unreliable spiritual life.
Furthermore, take another teacher who is dull and stupid.
Because of that, whenever he’s asked a question, he resorts to evasiveness and equivocation:
‘I don’t say it’s like this. I don’t say it’s like that. I don’t say it’s otherwise. I don’t say it’s not so. And I don’t deny it’s not so.’
A sensible person reflects on this matter in this way:
‘This teacher is dull and stupid.
Because of that, whenever he’s asked a question, he resorts to evasiveness and equivocation:
“I don’t say it’s like this. I don’t say it’s like that. I don’t say it’s otherwise. I don’t say it’s not so. And I don’t deny it’s not so.”
This spiritual life is unreliable.’
Realizing this, they leave disappointed.
This is the fourth kind of unreliable spiritual life.
These are the four kinds of unreliable spiritual life that have been explained by the Blessed One, who knows and sees, the perfected one, the fully awakened Buddha. A sensible person would, to the best of their ability, not practice such spiritual paths, and if they did practice them, they wouldn’t complete the procedure of the skillful teaching.”
“It’s incredible, Master Ānanda, it’s amazing,
how these four kinds of unreliable spiritual life have been explained by the Buddha.
But, Master Ānanda, what would a teacher say and explain so that a sensible person would, to the best of their ability, practice such a spiritual path, and once practicing it, they would complete the procedure of the skillful teaching?”
“Sandaka, it’s when a Realized One arises in the world, perfected, a fully awakened Buddha, accomplished in knowledge and conduct, holy, knower of the world, supreme guide for those who wish to train, teacher of gods and humans, awakened, blessed. …
He gives up these five hindrances, corruptions of the heart that weaken wisdom.
Then, quite secluded from sensual pleasures, secluded from unskillful qualities, he enters and remains in the first absorption, which has the rapture and bliss born of seclusion, while placing the mind and keeping it connected.
A sensible person would, to the best of their ability lead the spiritual life under a teacher who achieves such a high distinction, and, once practicing it, they would complete the procedure of the skillful teaching.
Furthermore, as the placing of the mind and keeping it connected are stilled, a mendicant … enters and remains in the second absorption …

third absorption …

fourth absorption.
A sensible person would, to the best of their ability lead the spiritual life under a teacher who achieves such a high distinction, and, once practicing it, they would complete the procedure of the skillful teaching.
When their mind has become immersed in samādhi like this—purified, bright, flawless, rid of corruptions, pliable, workable, steady, and imperturbable—they extend it toward recollection of past lives.
They recollect many kinds of past lives. That is: one, two, three, four, five, ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, a hundred, a thousand, a hundred thousand rebirths; many eons of the world contracting, many eons of the world expanding, many eons of the world contracting and expanding. … They recollect their many kinds of past lives, with features and details.
A sensible person would, to the best of their ability lead the spiritual life under a teacher who achieves such a high distinction, and, once practicing it, they would complete the procedure of the skillful teaching.
When their mind has become immersed in samādhi like this—purified, bright, flawless, rid of corruptions, pliable, workable, steady, and imperturbable—they extend it toward knowledge of the death and rebirth of sentient beings.
With clairvoyance that is purified and superhuman, they see sentient beings passing away and being reborn—inferior and superior, beautiful and ugly, in a good place or a bad place. … They understand how sentient beings are reborn according to their deeds.
A sensible person would, to the best of their ability lead the spiritual life under a teacher who achieves such a high distinction, and, once practicing it, they would complete the procedure of the skillful teaching.
When their mind has become immersed in samādhi like this—purified, bright, flawless, rid of corruptions, pliable, workable, steady, and imperturbable—they extend it toward knowledge of the ending of defilements.
They truly understand: ‘This is suffering’ … ‘This is the origin of suffering’ … ‘This is the cessation of suffering’ … ‘This is the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering’.
They truly understand: ‘These are defilements’ … ‘This is the origin of defilements’ … ‘This is the cessation of defilements’ … ‘This is the practice that leads to the cessation of defilements’.
Knowing and seeing like this, their mind is freed from the defilements of sensuality, desire to be reborn, and ignorance.
When they’re freed, they know they’re freed.
They understand: ‘Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is no return to any state of existence.’
A sensible person would, to the best of their ability lead the spiritual life under a teacher who achieves such a high distinction, and, once practicing it, they would complete the procedure of the skillful teaching.”
“But Master Ānanda, when a mendicant is perfected—with defilements ended, who has completed the spiritual journey, done what had to be done, laid down the burden, achieved their own true goal, utterly ended the fetters of rebirth, and is rightly freed through enlightenment—could they still enjoy sensual pleasures?”
“Sandaka, a mendicant who is perfected—with defilements ended, who has completed the spiritual journey, done what had to be done, laid down the burden, achieved their own true goal, utterly ended the fetters of rebirth, and is rightly freed through enlightenment—can’t transgress in five respects.
A mendicant with defilements ended can’t deliberately take the life of a living creature, take something with the intention to steal, have sex, tell a deliberate lie, or store up goods for their own enjoyment like they did as a lay person.
A mendicant who is perfected can’t transgress in these five respects.”
“But Master Ānanda, when a mendicant is perfected, would the knowledge and vision that their defilements are ended be constantly and continually present to them, while walking, standing, sleeping, and waking?”

“Well then, Sandaka, I shall give you a simile.
For by means of a simile some sensible people understand the meaning of what is said.
Suppose there was a person whose hands and feet had been amputated.
Would they be aware that their hands and feet had been amputated constantly and continually, while walking, standing, sleeping, and waking?
Or would they be aware of it only when they checked it?”

“They wouldn’t be aware of it constantly,

only when they checked it.”

“In the same way, when a mendicant is perfected, the knowledge and vision that their defilements are ended is not constantly and continually present to them, while walking, standing, sleeping, and waking.

Rather, they are aware of it only when they checked it.”

“But Reverend Ānanda, how many emancipators are there in this teaching and training?”
“There are not just one hundred emancipators, Sandaka, or two or three or four or five hundred, but many more than that in this teaching and training.”
“It’s incredible, Master Ānanda, it’s amazing!
Namely, that there’s no glorifying one’s own teaching and putting down the teaching of others. The Dhamma is taught in its own field, and so many emancipators are recognized.
But these Ājīvaka ascetics, those sons of dead sons, glorify themselves and put others down. And they only recognize three emancipators:
Nanda Vaccha, Kisa Saṅkicca, and Makkhali Gosāla.”
Then the wanderer Sandaka addressed his own assembly,
“Go, good sirs. The spiritual life is lived under the ascetic Gotama.
It’s not easy for me to give up possessions, honor, or popularity now.”
And that’s how the wanderer Sandaka sent his own assembly to lead the spiritual life under the Buddha.