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sn.22.89 Saṁyutta Nikāya (Linked Discourses)

Khemaka

On one occasion a number of elder bhikkhus were dwelling at Kosambi in Ghosita’s Park. Now on that occasion the Venerable Khemaka was living at Jujube Tree Park, sick, afflicted, gravely ill.

Then, in the evening, those elder bhikkhus emerged from seclusion and addressed the Venerable Dasaka thus: “Come, friend Dasaka, approach the bhikkhu Khemaka and say to him: ‘The elders say to you, friend Khemaka: We hope that you are bearing up, friend, we hope that you are getting better. We hope that your painful feelings are subsiding and not increasing, and that their subsiding, not their increase, is to be discerned.’”

“Yes, friends,” the Venerable Dasaka replied, and he approached the Venerable Khemaka and delivered his message.

The Venerable Khemaka answered: “I am not bearing up, friend, I am not getting better. Strong painful feelings are increasing in me, not subsiding, and their increase, not their subsiding, is to be discerned.”

Then the Venerable Dasaka approached the elder bhikkhus and reported what the Venerable Khemaka had said. They told him: “Come, friend Dasaka, approach the bhikkhu Khemaka and say to him: ‘The elders say to you, friend Khemaka: These five aggregates subject to clinging, friend, have been spoken of by the Blessed One; that is, the form aggregate subject to clinging, the feeling aggregate subject to clinging, the perception aggregate subject to clinging, the volitional formations aggregate subject to clinging, the consciousness aggregate subject to clinging. Does the Venerable Khemaka regard anything as self or as belonging to self among these five aggregates subject to clinging?’”

“Yes, friends,” the Venerable Dasaka replied, and he approached the Venerable Khemaka and delivered his message.

The Venerable Khemaka replied: “These five aggregates subject to clinging have been spoken of by the Blessed One; that is, the form aggregate subject to clinging … the consciousness aggregate subject to clinging. Among these five aggregates subject to clinging, I do not regard anything as self or as belonging to self.”

Then the Venerable Dasaka approached the elder bhikkhus and reported what the Venerable Khemaka had said. They replied: “Come, friend Dasaka, approach the bhikkhu Khemaka and say to him: ‘The elders say to you, friend Khemaka: These five aggregates subject to clinging, friend, have been spoken of by the Blessed One; that is, the form aggregate subject to clinging … the consciousness aggregate subject to clinging. If the Venerable Khemaka does not regard anything among these five aggregates subject to clinging as self or as belonging to self, then he is an arahant, one whose taints are destroyed.’”

“Yes, friends,” the Venerable Dasaka replied, and he approached the Venerable Khemaka and delivered his message.

The Venerable Khemaka replied: “These five aggregates subject to clinging have been spoken of by the Blessed One; that is, the form aggregate subject to clinging … the consciousness aggregate subject to clinging. I do not regard anything among these five aggregates subject to clinging as self or as belonging to self, yet I am not an arahant, one whose taints are destroyed. Friends, the notion ‘I am’ has not yet vanished in me in relation to these five aggregates subject to clinging, but I do not regard anything among them as ‘This I am.’”

Then the Venerable Dasaka approached the elder bhikkhus and reported what the Venerable Khemaka had said. They replied: “Come, friend Dasaka, approach the bhikkhu Khemaka and say to him: ‘The elders say to you, friend Khemaka: Friend Khemaka, when you speak of this “I am”—what is it that you speak of as “I am”? Do you speak of form as “I am,” or do you speak of “I am” apart from form? Do you speak of feeling … of perception … of volitional formations … of consciousness as “I am,” or do you speak of “I am” apart from consciousness? When you speak of this “I am,” friend Khemaka, what is it that you speak of as “I am”?’”

“Yes, friends,” the Venerable Dasaka replied, and he approached the Venerable Khemaka and delivered his message.

“Enough, friend Dasaka! Why keep running back and forth? Bring me my staff, friend. I’ll go to the elder bhikkhus myself.”

Then the Venerable Khemaka, leaning on his staff, approached the elder bhikkhus, exchanged greetings with them, and sat down to one side. The elder bhikkhus then said to him: “Friend Khemaka, when you speak of this ‘I am’ … what is it that you speak of as ‘I am’?”

“Friends, I do not speak of form as ‘I am,’ nor do I speak of ‘I am’ apart from form. I do not speak of feeling as ‘I am’ … nor of perception as ‘I am’ … nor of volitional formations as ‘I am’ … nor of consciousness as ‘I am,’ nor do I speak of ‘I am’ apart from consciousness. Friends, although the notion ‘I am’ has not yet vanished in me in relation to these five aggregates subject to clinging, still I do not regard anything among them as ‘This I am.’

“Suppose, friends, there is the scent of a blue, red, or white lotus. Would one be speaking rightly if one would say, ‘The scent belongs to the petals,’ or ‘The scent belongs to the stalk,’ or ‘The scent belongs to the pistils’?”

“No, friend.”

“And how, friends, should one answer if one is to answer rightly?”

“Answering rightly, friend, one should answer: ‘The scent belongs to the flower.’”

“So too, friends, I do not speak of form as ‘I am,’ nor do I speak of ‘I am’ apart from form. I do not speak of feeling as ‘I am’ … nor of perception as ‘I am’ … nor of volitional formations as ‘I am’ … nor of consciousness as ‘I am,’ nor do I speak of ‘I am’ apart from consciousness. Friends, although the notion ‘I am’ has not yet vanished in me in relation to these five aggregates subject to clinging, still I do not regard anything among them as ‘This I am.’

“Friends, even though a noble disciple has abandoned the five lower fetters, still, in relation to the five aggregates subject to clinging, there lingers in him a residual conceit ‘I am,’ a desire ‘I am,’ an underlying tendency ‘I am’ that has not yet been uprooted. Sometime later he dwells contemplating rise and fall in the five aggregates subject to clinging: ‘Such is form, such its origin, such its passing away; such is feeling … such is perception … such are volitional formations … such is consciousness, such its origin, such its passing away.’ As he dwells thus contemplating rise and fall in the five aggregates subject to clinging, the residual conceit ‘I am,’ the desire ‘I am,’ the underlying tendency ‘I am’ that had not yet been uprooted—this comes to be uprooted.

“Suppose, friends, a cloth has become soiled and stained, and its owners give it to a laundryman. The laundryman would scour it evenly with cleaning salt, lye, or cowdung, and rinse it in clean water. Even though that cloth would become pure and clean, it would still retain a residual smell of cleaning salt, lye, or cowdung that had not yet vanished. The laundryman would then give it back to the owners. The owners would put it in a sweet-scented casket, and the residual smell of cleaning salt, lye, or cowdung that had not yet vanished would vanish.

“So too, friends, even though a noble disciple has abandoned the five lower fetters, still, in relation to the five aggregates subject to clinging, there lingers in him a residual conceit ‘I am,’ a desire ‘I am,’ an underlying tendency ‘I am’ that has not yet been uprooted…. As he dwells thus contemplating rise and fall in the five aggregates subject to clinging, the residual conceit ‘I am,’ the desire ‘I am,’ the underlying tendency ‘I am’ that had not yet been uprooted—this comes to be uprooted.”

When this was said, the elder bhikkhus said to the Venerable Khemaka: “We did not ask our questions in order to trouble the Venerable Khemaka, but we thought that the Venerable Khemaka would be capable of explaining, teaching, proclaiming, establishing, disclosing, analysing, and elucidating the Blessed One’s teaching in detail. And the Venerable Khemaka has explained, taught, proclaimed, established, disclosed, analysed, and elucidated the Blessed One’s teaching in detail.”

This is what the Venerable Khemaka said. Elated, the elder bhikkhus delighted in the Venerable Khemaka’s statement. And while this discourse was being spoken, the minds of sixty elder bhikkhus and of the Venerable Khemaka were liberated from the taints by nonclinging.

- Translator: Bhikkhu Bodhi

- Editor: Blake Walsh


With Khemaka

When you say ‘I am’, what is it that you’re talking about?”
At one time several senior mendicants were staying near Kosambi, in Ghosita’s Monastery.
Now at that time Venerable Khemaka was staying in the Jujube Tree Monastery, and he was sick, suffering, gravely ill.
In the late afternoon those senior mendicants came out of retreat and addressed Venerable Dāsaka,
“Please, Reverend Dāsaka, go to the mendicant Khemaka and say to him:
‘Reverend Khemaka, the seniors
hope you’re keeping well; they hope you’re alright. They hope that your pain is fading, not growing, that its fading is evident, not its growing.’”
“Yes, reverends,” replied Dāsaka. He went to Khemaka and said to him:
“Reverend Khemaka, the seniors
hope you’re keeping well; they hope you’re alright. They hope that your pain is fading, not growing, that its fading is evident, not its growing.”
“Reverend, I’m not keeping well, I’m not alright. My pain is terrible and growing, not fading; its growing is evident, not its fading.”
Then Dāsaka went to those seniors and told them what had happened. They said,


“Please, Reverend Dāsaka, go to the mendicant Khemaka and say to him:
‘Reverend Khemaka, the seniors say that
these five grasping aggregates have been taught by the Buddha, that is:
the grasping aggregates of form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness.
Do you regard anything among these five grasping aggregates as self or as belonging to self?’”
“Yes, reverends,” replied Dāsaka. He relayed the message to Khemaka, who replied:




“These five grasping aggregates have been taught by the Buddha, that is:
the grasping aggregates of form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness.
I do not regard anything among these five grasping aggregates as self or as belonging to self.”
Then Dāsaka went to those seniors and told them what had happened. They said:




“Please, Reverend Dāsaka, go to the mendicant Khemaka and say to him:
‘Reverend Khemaka, the seniors say that
these five grasping aggregates have been taught by the Buddha, that is:
the grasping aggregates of form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness.
If, as it seems, Venerable Khemaka does not regard anything among these five grasping aggregates as self or as belonging to self,
then he is a perfected one, with defilements ended.’”
“Yes, reverends,” replied Dāsaka. He relayed the message to Khemaka, who replied:




“These five grasping aggregates have been taught by the Buddha, that is:
the grasping aggregates of form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness.
I do not regard anything among these five grasping aggregates as self or as belonging to self, yet I am not a perfected one, with defilements ended.
For when it comes to the five grasping aggregates I’m not rid of the conceit ‘I am’. But I don’t regard anything as ‘I am this’.”
Then Dāsaka went to those seniors and told them what had happened. They said:






“Please, Reverend Dāsaka, go to the mendicant Khemaka and say to him:
‘Reverend Khemaka, the seniors ask,
when you say “I am”, what is it that you’re talking about?
Is it form or apart from form?
Is it feeling …
perception …
choices …
consciousness, or apart from consciousness?
When you say “I am”, what is it that you’re talking about?”
“Yes, reverends,” replied Dāsaka. He relayed the message to Khemaka, who replied:








“Enough, Reverend Dāsaka! What’s the point in running back and forth?
Bring my staff,
I’ll go to see the senior mendicants myself.”
Then Venerable Khemaka, leaning on a staff, went to those senior mendicants and exchanged greetings with them.
When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side. They said to him:
“Reverend Khemaka, when you say ‘I am’, what is it that you’re talking about?
Is it form or apart from form?
Is it feeling …
perception …
choices …
consciousness, or apart from consciousness?
“Reverends, I don’t say ‘I am’ with reference to form, or apart from form.
I don’t say ‘I am’ with reference to feeling …
perception …
choices …
consciousness, or apart from consciousness.
For when it comes to the five grasping aggregates I’m not rid of the conceit ‘I am’. But I don’t regard anything as ‘I am this’.
It’s like the scent of a blue water lily, or a pink or white lotus.
Would it be right to say that the scent belongs to the petals or the stalk or the pistil?”
“No, reverend.”
“Then, reverends, how should it be said?”
“It would be right to say that the scent belongs to the flower.”
“In the same way, reverends, I don’t say ‘I am’ with reference to form, or apart from form.
I don’t say ‘I am’ with reference to feeling …
perception …
choices …
consciousness, or apart from consciousness.
For when it comes to the five grasping aggregates I’m not rid of the conceit ‘I am’. But I don’t regard anything as ‘I am this’.
Although a noble disciple has given up the five lower fetters, they still have a lingering residue of the conceit ‘I am’, the desire ‘I am’, and the underlying tendency ‘I am’ which has not been eradicated.
After some time they meditate observing rise and fall in the five grasping aggregates.
‘Such is form, such is the origin of form, such is the ending of form.
Such is feeling …
Such is perception …
Such are choices …
Such is consciousness, such is the origin of consciousness, such is the ending of consciousness.’
As they do so, that lingering residue is eradicated.
Suppose there was a cloth that was dirty and soiled, so the owners give it to a launderer.
The launderer kneads it thoroughly with salt, lye, and cow dung, and rinses it in clear water.
Although that cloth is clean and bright, it still has a lingering scent of salt, lye, or cow dung that had not been eradicated.
The launderer returns it to its owners, who store it in a fragrant casket.
And that lingering scent would be eradicated.
In the same way, although a noble disciple has given up the five lower fetters, they still have a lingering residue of the conceit ‘I am’, the desire ‘I am’, and the underlying tendency ‘I am’ which has not been eradicated.
After some time they meditate observing rise and fall in the five grasping aggregates.
‘Such is form, such is the origin of form, such is the ending of form.
Such is feeling …
Such is perception …
Such are choices …
Such is consciousness, such is the origin of consciousness, such is the ending of consciousness.’
As they do so, that lingering residue is eradicated.”
When he said this, the senior mendicants said to Venerable Khemaka,
“We didn’t want to trouble Venerable Khemaka with our questions. But you’re capable of explaining, teaching, asserting, establishing, clarifying, analyzing, and revealing the Buddha’s instructions in detail.
And that’s just what you’ve done.”
That’s what Venerable Khemaka said.
Satisfied, the senior mendicants were happy with what Venerable Khemaka said.
And while this discourse was being spoken, the minds of sixty senior mendicants and of Venerable Khemaka were freed from defilements by not grasping.