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sn.16.12 Saṁyutta Nikāya (Linked Discourses)

After Death

On one occasion the Venerable Mahakassapa and the Venerable Sāriputta were dwelling at Baraṇasī in the Deer Park at Isipatana. Then, in the evening, the Venerable Sāriputta emerged from seclusion and approached the Venerable Mahakassapa. He exchanged greetings with the Venerable Mahakassapa and, when they had concluded their greetings and cordial talk, he sat down to one side and said to him:

“How is it, friend Kassapa, does the Tathagata exist after death?”

“The Blessed One, friend, has not declared this: ‘The Tathagata exists after death.’”

“Then, friend, does the Tathagata not exist after death?”

“The Blessed One, friend, has not declared this either: ‘The Tathagata does not exist after death.’”

“How is it then, friend, does the Tathagata both exist and not exist after death?”

“The Blessed One, friend, has not declared this: ‘The Tathagata both exists and does not exist after death.’”

“Then, friend, does the Tathagata neither exist nor not exist after death?”

“The Blessed One, friend, has not declared this either: ‘The Tathagata neither exists nor does not exist after death.’”

“Why hasn’t the Blessed One declared this, friend?”

“Because this is unbeneficial, irrelevant to the fundamentals of the holy life, and does not lead to revulsion, to dispassion, to cessation, to peace, to direct knowledge, to enlightenment, to Nibbāna. Therefore the Blessed One has not declared this.”

“And what, friend, has the Blessed One declared?”

“The Blessed One, friend, has declared: ‘This is suffering,’ and ‘This is the origin of suffering,’ and ‘This is the cessation of suffering, ’ and ‘This is the way leading to the cessation of suffering.’”

“And why, friend, has the Blessed One declared this?”

“Because, friend, this is beneficial, relevant to the fundamentals of the holy life, and leads to revulsion, to dispassion, to cessation, to peace, to direct knowledge, to enlightenment, to Nibbāna. Therefore the Blessed One has declared this.”

- Translator: Bhikkhu Bodhi

- Editor: Blake Walsh


The Realized One After Death

At one time Venerable Mahākassapa and Venerable Sāriputta were staying near Benares, in the deer park at Isipatana.
Then in the late afternoon, Venerable Sāriputta came out of retreat, went to Venerable Mahākassapa, and exchanged greetings with him.
When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to Mahākassapa:
“Reverend Kassapa, does a Realized One exist after death?”
“Reverend, this has not been declared by the Buddha.”

“Well then, does a Realized One not exist after death?”
“This too has not been declared by the Buddha.”

“Well then, does a Realized One both exist and not exist after death?”
“This too has not been declared by the Buddha.”

“Well then, does a Realized One neither exist nor not exist after death?”
“This too has not been declared by the Buddha.”

“And why has this not been declared by the Buddha?”
“Because it’s not beneficial or relevant to the fundamentals of the spiritual life. It doesn’t lead to disillusionment, dispassion, cessation, peace, insight, awakening, and extinguishment.
That’s why it has not been declared by the Buddha.”
“So what now has been declared by the Buddha?”
“‘This is suffering’ has been declared by the Buddha.
‘This is the origin of suffering’ …
‘This is the cessation of suffering’ …
‘This is the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering’ has been declared by the Buddha.”
“And why has this been declared by the Buddha?”
“Because it’s beneficial and relevant to the fundamentals of the spiritual life. It leads to disillusionment, dispassion, cessation, peace, insight, awakening, and extinguishment.
That’s why it has been declared by the Buddha.”